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>> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. fireworks on capitol hill. attorney general jeff sessions angrily telling a senate committee that any accusation than he colluded with russia during the election is a detestable lie. this is "cnn tonight." sessions is infuriating members of the committee by refusing to
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reveal any private conversations with president trump. >> you're invoking executive privilege? >> i'm not able to invoke executive privilege. that's the president's prerogative. senator, i'm protecting the president's constitutional right by not giving it away before he has a chance to. >> you're -- >> and he could have -- >> caitlin collins, white house correspondent for "the daily caller" and analyst david rhode. "the new york times" has a story, when asked by the pool of reporters covering a midday meeting with republican lawmakers at the white house whether he supported mr. mueller, mr. trump gave no answer, even though he often uses such interactions to make headlines or shoot down stories he believes to be fake. that may have been by design,
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according to a person who spoke to mr. trump on tuesday. the president was pleased by the ambiguity of his position on mr. mueller and thinks the possibility of being fired will focus the veteran prosecutor on delivering what the president desires most, a blanket public exoneration. caitlin, what's your response? does he understand how this works and the gravity of it? what do you make of that? >> well, i think he likes keeping reporters on edge. that's why he's stayed silent since his friend chris ruddy went on pbs on monday and said he was weighing terminating robert mueller. that's a big deal, that's been the news story for the past few days. white house press secretary sean spicer shot it down quickly, but donald trump has not said anything. finally -- >> caitlin, with all due respect, he's talking about sending a message to the special counsel, not sending a message to reporters. >> he's doing both at once. i agree, he's trying to send a message to bob mueller, hey, i'm
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watching how you do this and if you don't do it the way i like, i'm going to consider firing you. >> david, that's not intimidation? >> that's obstruction of justice. >> all right. go ahead, david. >> i'm sorry. i apologize for interrupting. >> no, go ahead. >> that's wrong. that's not the president's job. it's improper. this is an independent investigation. he should let it follow its course. and he might be exonerated. if he would let it follow its course, it might work for him, if he would show more patience. this message that he's going to intimidate the special counsel, you know, it's an unnecessary political mistake, honestly, on the president's part. >> go ahead, david swerdling. >> i agree with david rohde. the white house seems to be overlooking the idea that if
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they just let this play out, maybe it will eventually smooth itself out in their favor. we don't know that, but it's a possibility. don, we talk about this on your show all the time. this is another case of the president liking the big reveal, the stay tuned next week aspect of this as if everybody is auditioning for a part on the next season of president trump when in fact this is very likely the last public act or last public cycle for mueller. this is the last public cycle for president trump, whether it's 3 1/2 years or 7 1/2 more years. to caitlin's point, maybe he thinks that he can sway the outcome of an organizatiinvesti sway an investigation like he sways news coverage by sending a message to reporters, he'll send a message to mueller. >> will it have any effect on
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mueller, david swerdlick? >> i don't see what the incentive for mueller would be to be swayed one way or the other by the president dangling this idea of him being fired over his head. mueller was head of the fbi for 12 years. people on both sides of the aisle say he's a person of complete integrity. the idea that he would be swayed by the possibility that this would be cut short and him knowing fully what would happen politically at least if he was fired just seems to me to be only in the mind of the white house. >> caitlin, you heard both davids here, david rohde says he believes it's obstruction, david, i'm not putting words in your mouth, you did say that? >> i did. >> caitlin, what do you think? >> that's a hefty charge to make. i'm not going to disagree and i'm not going to agree. there's a lot to know and we need to hear from president trump. i found out today, i confirmed
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that he did interview bob mueller to be the next fbi director when he was interviewing after he fired james comey. sarah sanders confirmed today on air force one that he interviewed bob mueller the day before bob mueller was appointed as special counsel. >> i want to read another quote from this piece tonight. in recent days, the president has told his staff, his visitors, and his advisers that he was increasingly convinced that mr. mueller, like mr. comey, his successor at the fbi, was part of a witch hunt of partisans who wanted to see him weakened or forced from office. david rohde, what do you think of that? >> it's the same sense in the white house that they're under siege. i understand their frustration. this continues to dominate the news. >> mueller was appointed by trump's deputy ag. how is that a witch hunt? >> i think mueller has nothing to lose, he's a decorated combat veteran, served in vietnam,
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oversaw investigations of john gatti and noriega. mueller will carry this out very thoroughly but also very slowly. i don't think this tactic is going to work. i think it hurts president trump. i think he should let this investigation go forward, talk about the economy, talk about jobs, you know, talk about his policies. and he's sort of fueling a lot of this coverage un unintentionally, i think. >> i appreciate you all join you go here on cnn this evening. we're going to talk about other big news. are we moving on to the next segment? okay. all right. i want to ask about something else. caitlin, let me bring you back in, i apologize for that. i want you to watch this exchange between senator sessions today and then senator
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kamala harris. here it is. >> did you have any communication with any russian businessmen or any russian nationals? >> i don't believe i had any conversation with russian businessmen or russian nationals. >> are you aware of -- >> although a lot of people were at the convention. it's -- >> sir, i have just a few -- >> you let me qualify it. if i don't qualify it, you'll accuse me of lying. so i need to be correct as best i can. >> i do want you to be honest. >> i'm not able to be rushed this fast. it makes any nervous. >> it makes him nervous. what do you think of that, caitlin? >> well, he is getting grilled for three hours while sitting there in front of, you know, his former senators that he used to be colleagues with. so i do think -- i think it's a fair question to ask. this is someone who during his confirmation hearing did not speak truthfully about meetings he had with russian officials. so i think the senators deserve to ask jeff sessions tough questions. i mean, he's the leading law
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enforcement person in our entire country. so i think he's fine with tough questions. >> thank you all. now we'll move on. i appreciate that. when we come back, senator amy klobuchar joins me. i'm going to ask if she's satisfied by sessions' testimony. is a sport that takes a lot out of you physically. from the moment i wake up on my tempur-pedic mattress i feel like i'm ready to take on the day. i don't have aches and pains from the previous day's training. and i feel like myself. i wake up feeling stronger, a better surfer a better me. ♪ find your exclusive retailer at tempur-pedic.com
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at least two people being treated for smoke inhalation. and eyewitnesses say they saw people jumping from the building. make sure you stay with us. we'll keep a watch on these pictures and on this story and bring you the very latest as it's warranted. democrats on the senate intelligence committee expressing frustration with attorney general jeff sessions during his testimony today. sessions refusing to answer many of their questions. i want to bring in senator amy klobuchar, a minnesota democrat who is a member of the judiciary committee. senator, thank you so much for coming on, i appreciate it. today, senator wyden of oregon accused sessions of stone in walling. -- stonewalling. were you happy with the attorney general's answers and what do you make of his refusal to answer several questions? >> i think anyone who wanted to get to the bottom of the truth wouldn't like what happened today because you really didn't get a lot of answers. he did say he did not have a third meeting with the russian ambassador. but other than that, he really
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didn't tell us much. i thought one interesting fact was that he told us in answer to a question from senator angus king that he had had no briefings on russian interference in our election, about what a major issue this is of cybersecurity. he has to recuse himself from this investigation, but either before that or since then he's had no briefings at all. i thought that was pretty concerning. and then you just have the fact that he didn't answer a lot of the questions. of course when you're searching for the truth and the public wants to hear what the truth is, that's not a good day. we learned a little more from rod rosenstein, who was evening before another committee, the deputy. and i was really pleased that he made it very clear that he wasn't going to remove the special prosecutor or special counsel, bob mueller. >> i want to talk to you about that. let's stick to the testimony from the attorney general.
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when being asked about any possible contact with russians, sessions said that he may have had some conversations with russians to see if russia and the united states could get on a, quote, more harmonious relationship. then he added this quote. he said, it's really a tragic strategic event that we're not able to get along better than we are today. why do you think this administration continues to speak to positively of russia and want to have that sort of relationship with russia? >> i literally -- i understand why you want to work with all powers that you can work with. but in this case, those kinds of words, when you have a country that 17 of our intelligence agencies have firmly said tried to influence our democracies, a direct violation of our whole constitution is based on this simple idea that americans choose their own president, choose their own elected officials. and here you have a foreign power trying to influence us. we now have proof just today, information coming out that in dozens of states, they tried to hack into local officials, local
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election officials' accounts, they tried to influence the actual apparatus of our elections. they downed a plane in ukraine. you can go through all of the things that they've done. i think the answer should be we will talk with other powers, but we have a country that is actually using cybersecurity as a means of attack on our own country. they're using the cyber system to attack us. and we need to not only protect ourselves, but we need to respond back. very different than the senate, bipartisan basis, we're going to pass russian sanctions this week. >> another headline today, there are so many daily, president trump told your republican colleagues that the house-passed health care bill celebrated earlier this year in the rose garden, he said is mean. he called this bill mean. he also referred to it as a, quote, son of a bitch, again, those are his words. are you surprised that he says
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that, given basically what you and your democratic colleagues have been saying about this bill? >> the one thing about the president is he uses very direct language. and he sure did it this time. i can't think of a better word to describe that bill than mean. it's very simple. you don't need a bunch of focus group for it or polls. it's mean. it cuts 20-some million people from health care. there's a reason aarp is opposing it, because of what it would do to seniors, what it would do to rural health care. and i thought that was -- >> but he celebrated it. why do you think he did a u-turn on it? >> i think this was most likely what he really thought and he was telling the senate republicans, this isn't the kind of bill we want to pass. yet in public he was literally practically doing high fives with the house republicans, celebrating its passage. it's been pointed out, that word "mean," people will be using it now for good reason, because it describes what the bill is.
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you have over in the senate now a number of people that appear to be trying behind closed doors to draft another bill that we'll call the cousin of mean, mean 2. >> senator, not it cut you off, i know there's a delay. do you think he did this because he needed a win in the congress, in the house, and he just wanted to get something to the senators, knowing that they would fix it, or change it? >> well, that certainly appears to be the case. but the problem is, the ramification is the effect it has on real people out there who are going to lose health care and need health care. >> i said i would bring this up a little later on, but this morning the deputy attorney general, as you said, rod rosenstein, assured the appropriations committee that only he could fire the special counsel. does this make you feel better? >> well, it did, because mostly what he also said, he said he would only fire him for cause, he wouldn't fire him for an unlawful reason. i think he was sending a clear
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message to everyone in congress that this is serious, that mueller is already of course hiring people and putting together a good team of experienced prosecutors and investigators. and so i thought his words were some of the best words of the day, because they really demonstrated that the justice department is devoted to keeping this special counsel in place. >> senator amy klobuchar, thank you so much. i appreciate it. >> thank you. when we come back, can the president make this entire investigation go away? or is this just the beginning of his legal troubles? [ indistinct chatter ]
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more than 200 firefighters have been deployed trying to fight this fire and trying to rescue people and evacuate residents. london police say at least two people are currently being treated for smoke inhalation there. we hear people are being treated for a number of different injuries. people earlier say that they saw people jumping from windows. but again, this is a huge blaze that's happening at this 24-story apartment building in london in north kensington. and as you can see, this fire is really raging still right now. firefighters are trying to get a handle on this. more than 200 firefighters on the scene now. we will keep you updated on this breaking news story as soon as west some new developments on this. you can see, just horrific there, it happened, start just before starting daybreak in london, local time. back to our political discussion. did jeff sessions' silence speak volumes today or was the attorney general rightfully keeping his conversations with
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the president confidential? here is richard painter, the former white house ethics lawyer. matthew whittaker, former u.s. attorney. michael moore, also a former u.s. attorney. before we start talking about this, i want to get your regulato reporting to "the new york times," reporting tonight on the question that was plaguing a lot of people last night, the president considering terminating the special counsel, robert mueller. i just had the quotes handed to me, i'm going to read them and get your response. "the new york times" says, when asked by the pool of reporters covering the midday meeting at the white house whether he supported mr. mueller, trump gave no answer, even though he often uses such interactions to make headlines or shoot down stories he believes to be fake. that may have been by design, according to a person who spoke to mr. trump on tuesday. the president was pleased by the ambiguity of his position on mr. mueller and thinks the
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possibility of being fired will focus the veteran prosecutor on delivering what the president desires most, and that is a blanket public exoneration. what do you make of that, matthew? >> well, what i see is a president that is starting to figure out his influence that he can have on this influence, and someone that is trying to send a message to the special prosecutor, bob mueller, that listen, you have a lot of power and you are now the keeper of the cloud that hangs over this administration, unfortunately, but i can still affect you, i can reach out and terminate you. that's very dangerous politically, but certainly there is certainly a way for that to happen. >> you don't think that's dangerous legally, it's not obstruction? he's saying basically unless it goes my way, i'm going to fire you. >> no, i don't think that's
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obstruction, because -- we keep using that term. i know we've discussed it before, don. i don't think that under these facts and circumstances that an obstruction of justice charge, either in the context of his discussions with jim comey or in this new context of talking about the possibility of bob mueller losing his job as special counsel, i think neither one of those would raise to the level of obstruction. >> so obstruction, matthew doesn't think it's obstruction, but do you think he's trying to influence, michael? >> he may be trying to influence. i agree it's probably not obstruction to talk about whether or not he can get rid of mueller. i worked with bob mueller, he was director of the fbi when i came on as u.s. attorney. if the president thinks he's intimidating bob mueller by putting out a few tweets or being quiet at a press conference, all he's doing is kicking the sleeping dog. bob is a consummate
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professional, a career prosecutor. i think his credibility and his integrity is unquestioned. he's putting together a team of prosecutors, professional folks who know how to do an investigation. they know how to look at a case. they know how to make a case. they know how to move a case forward, if they find the evidence there. i think that's really where we're at. this president has a history of -- he likes to tweet, he likes to throw things out, he likes to drop bombs, he likes to maybe play with his twitter account and say clever things at night. but i think if he thinks he's intimidating bob mueller, he's probably wasting his time and might want to do something else. my guess is that bob mueller has done just like he has done in every other job he's had, and that is he puts his head down and went to work, despite the message that the president may have been trying to send. >> richard painter, i want to get your response but let me read another quote. in recent days, president has sold to his staff, his visitors and his outside advisers that he
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was increasingly convinced that mr. mueller, like mr. comey, was part of a witch hunt by pa by partisans who wanted to see him weakened or forced from office. is the president trying to have undue influence here and what do you make of what he's calling a witch hunt, comey and mueller, like the democrats, are out to get him? >> well, this witch hunt characterization is the one that he used and has continued to use with respect to the entire russia episode or the russian espionage inside the united states, the russian interference in the election. he says that's just all fake news and a witch hunt. and he's continuing to repeat that mantra even though the evidence is conclusive that russia engaged in such espionage inside the united states and sought to destabilize our country in our 2016 election, as
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they sought to do in france, and as russia has been doing since the 1917 revolution, they did it through communist parties through many years, now they're doing it through other fringe elements. if he wants to call that fake news or just a witch hunt, he's just living in an alternative universe. i seriously yes his competency to be president of the united states and to defend us against foreign aggression if he doesn't face the reality that russia has been engaged in this type of conduct. and we certainly need to have an independent special counsel who will look into the question of who in the united states collaborated with the russians. what we know right now is that several members of the administration have lied about their contacts with the russians. in the case the general flynn, lied about receiving money from the russians. and we need to find out who else has received money from the
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russians, who contacted the russians, who may have collaborated with the russians with respect to the hacking of computers in the united states. this is a serious investigation. he's certainly not going to intimidate bob mueller. bob mueller is not afraid of donald trump or of anybody else. he's not afraid of getting fired. he's not going to do a crummy job simply in order to not get fired. and i do have to emphasize, i think it is obstruction of justice, if the president fired the fbi director in order to stop the russia investigation, if that's the reason he fired the fbi director. of course we heard a very different story from jeff sessions today in his testimony. but that is obstruction of justice. and if he were to fire bob mueller in order to derail this investigation, that is obstruction of justice. that's what president nixon did. and we all know where that led. and i gotta say, this is a lot worse situation we're confronting, because nixon at least wasn't doing his break-ins
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through the kgb. so this is a very serious investigation. we'll have to find out what happened. that's bob mueller's job. >> that will have to be the last word. thank you all. when we come back, the president's approval rating hitting a record low, faster than any more than president. [vo] what made secretariat the greatest racehorse who ever lived? of course he was strong... ...intelligent. ...explosive. but the true secret to his perfection... was a heart, twice the size of an average horse. that $100k is not exactly a fortune. well, a 103 how long did it take you two to save that? a long time. then it's a fortune. i told you we had a fortune. get closer to your investment goals
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it wasn't an easy task for the senate intelligence committee to get answers from jeff sessions today. numerous times the attorney general either wouldn't answer or couldn't quite recall. s i wou . >> i would have gladly have
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reported the meeting, the encounter that may have occurred, that some say occurred in the mayflower if i had remembered it or if it actually occurred, which i don't remember that it did. i still do not recall it. i don't recall any such meeting. i don't recall it. i don't recall it. i don't have a detailed memory of that. i guess i could say that i possibly had a meeting but i still do not recall it. >> i want to discuss it now with scott jennings, former special assistant to george w. bush and bakari sellers. bakari, there are a couple of key things for attorney general sessions to address today, one a possible third meeting with the russian ambassador which is under fbi investigation. sessions claims he did not have a one-on-one or didn't recall the meeting with ambassador kislyak. do you believe him? >> do i believe him?
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that's a very difficult question to answer by saying yes, i do believe him, because we know he's misremembered many things before. he's failed to disclose information. in my view, he perjured himself in his confirmation hearing. i don't think any new information came out today. the ball didn't move for democrats or republicans. but there was a lack of preparation and incompetence on behalf of the attorney general of the united states that it was startling. he bumbled through today. it's concerning that he's the person charged with protecting many americans. >> do you agree with that, scott? according to what we've heard from reporters in washington, the president was happy with his testimony and said he did a very good job. >> i agree with one thing bakari said, and that is no new information came out today. we had a lot of hours of hearings today and last week,
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and no credible information has surfaced proving what the big picture item here is, the collusion theory that the trump campaign colluded with russia. none of that happened today, none of it happened last week. we also got some clarity on the mueller situation today. earlier in the day, before sessions, rod rosenstein testified and then sessions commented on it as well. this whole sort of outlandish idea that mueller was on the chopping block, rosenstein and sessions put that to bed. i think sessions defended himself and felt like his character has been under attack. he looked like a man who had some things to say today and didn't appreciate being accused of some things the democrats have accused him of. >> to be clear, though, the question has never been whether or not jeff sessions colluded with the russians. the question has always been why does jeff sessions continue to lie about his contacts or he cannot remember his contacts? the fact is, kislyak is apparently the least memorable person in the history of
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washington, d.c. but the question is, why does jared kushner, why does jeff sessions, why do these people keep lying about their contacts with the russians? that was the heart of today's hearing. and yes, he just didn't remember anything because he just didn't want to answer any of these questions. so no new information came out. i still don't think it was a good day for jeff sessions. but none of these days are good for donald trump. >> scott, when you talked about the firing of mueller, this is a "new york times account account today, part of one of the quotes they said, that the president was pleased by the ambiguity of his position on mr. mueller and thinks the possibility of being fired will focus the veteran prosecutor on delivering what the president desires most, a blanket public exoneration. so maybe it wasn't under consideration but maybe the president himself was floating that out there to send a message to the special counsel. >> yeah, i don't necessarily agree with that strategy.
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that may be what some people think. i don't think that is the kind of strategy that's going to work on an independent counsel like mueller. i think the best thing that can happen here is that mueller does his job, he interviews and investigates the things that need to be investigated. and i think what we're ultimately going to find out is what we already know. the russians is bad people. they've interfered in elections around the world, they apparently tried to interfere with ours. but that doesn't necessarily prove collusion or prove that they had to have an including partner. they just intervened in qatar and didn't need a colluding partner there. i'm still not sold that we've seen any evidence of collusion between trump and the russians to engage in that kind of infraction against the united states. >> i want to make sure i get this in, because it's an important topic. sources are selling cnn's jim acosta that president trump told senators in their health care meeting today that the house health care bill is mean and "a
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son of a bitch." i have to ask, scott, why it's so mean, why did the president and house republicans have a party at the white house celebrating that bill? >> it's a good question. you want message discipline when you pass a big piece of legislation, it does put republican lawmakers on capitol hill in a weird box to see their work celebrated one day and not the next. we don't know exactly what the context of the conversation was, a. and b, we've always known the senate was going to significantly change the house bill, they signaled that from day one, and we're going to see those changes soon enough. so it worries me that we don't have consistency in message around such a big ticket item. but i'm waiting to see what mitch mcconnell and the republicans come up with. ultimately the ball is not in donald trump's court, it's in senate republicans' court. >> bakari, what do you think of the flip-flop?
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>> this is donald trump through and through. republicans don't know how to govern. they're trying to pass a health care bill that affects one sixth of our economy in secret. it's not going to fly. millions of americans are upset, they're angry, they're speaking out. you can try to put lipstick on this pig, but we're not going to stand for donald trump and the republicans taking health care away from americans. >> thank you very much. we'll be right back.
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this past sunday, cnn kicked off a week-long special series called "champions for change." a dozen cnn anchors spent time
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working close to people whose causes are close to our hearts. they're truly special individuals. we want you to meet them. our champions for change. learn about the challenges they face every day and see firsthand the real difference they're making in the lives of others. my colleague, brooke baldwin, is here. she had to do some climbing to talk about her champion. so why did you pick this one? >> because first of all this is awesome, that cnn is involving us to do this kind of thing. i think i chose it because it really combines all my passions. climbing milliliters, i climbed kilimanjaro with two legs, and i had a tough time. this is the heroes project. >> all i was going to do is help one vet out, climb a mountain with a vet.
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>> this is called sicyclops. >> congratulations. amazing. >> cnn came to me and said, brooke, you need to pick an organization you feel really passionately about. the heroes project was the first thing that popped into my head. >> what is the next after everest? >> how do you forget someone like that? hell's angel climes everest and what he's done with these veterans. >> went down the hospital and she was with her mom and said hey, you ready to climb a mountain and she's like absolutely. >> you have to be comfortable with being uncomfortable and suffer well. >> we're going to get the hard stuff out of the way. drop off the 100 foot cliff. >> why did you want to become a marine? ib wanted to figure out what i
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was going to do to serve people. i remember looking around my chemistry lab and i walked out and went to the recruiters office and convinced my parents to sign the paperwork. >> to take somebody who's just lost a couple limbs, i don't feel going fishing is really going to get them back to being that soldier, that marine that they were. we have to put them back in harm's way to really truly heal them. >> christ, what am i getting myself into? >> don't worry, i got you. good bounce, good bounce. let it go and lean back. all right. come on down, brook. >> i'm a little nervous. lean back. push off.
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slide down. come on down more right below kirstie, all right. >> whew. >> i was an aerial door gunner with a .50 caliber. the actual day of my crash last thing i remember is the crew in the back calling for power. and i remember wearing my night vision goggles and looking that ground and all you have time do is this is going to hurt. >> she went in for her amputation and they cut and that's the moment i wept she's going to need to be shaken up. >> he approached me with the idea of climbing the hardest of the seven summits. kirsten's pyramid. his first big mountain was everest. >> 2001 my hearty, boom. next thing crow know i was in a trauma center. my vehicle for recovery was
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mountain climbing. 2009 this veteran got up, burned beyond recognition and this light bulb hit. i'm going to climb for other people and show them the path that got me to recover from my accident. >> meeting everyone at the hero's project gave me my life back because i realized i could conquer anything i wanted. what we're doing out here is work on those skills i'm going to need. >> don't be afraid to reach over and see if there's something there. >> without these skills i'm not making it to the top. >> come on. >> honestly always nice to knock yourself down a tab. you meet people who are tough in life. the strength of kirstie and tim and this takes it to a whole new level. to think of kirstie climbing that mountain.
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i don't think i can fully wrap my head around it. i have never climbed up rocks in a really technical way. >> good. time to climb. start looking for holes in the rock. there you go. nice move. climb the mountain. >> reach to your right. there's a good hole. there you go. nice. >> you made it. >> just had a huge, huge respect for you. >> thank you. that means a lot to me. these are things i'm doing for the first time all over again with one leg and that's extre extremely meaningful. >> you have to be uncomfortable with the comfortable. put one foot in front of the other and get the upper mountains, you know. >> absolutely. >> how do we get down?
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>> this whole project, my goodness. >> tougher going up, coming down i'll say that. here i was the able bodied, two feet, two legs and she inspired me. once i finally got up that rock side and she's cheering me on and i thought the whole time i was climbing about her and watching that prosthetic and then thinking next month they're hitting carson's pyramid which is the 16,000 foot incredibly technical climb. there is no i can't in my vo vocabulary anymore. >> you chose the heroes project but everyone has their thing that helps them get through. i would ask you why but -- >> it's obvious. and tim is one of my new favorite humans on the planet. what he's done.
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former hell's angel, loved riding his bicycle and realized in terms of recovery and climbing mountains, i want to do it for veterans and he's summited everest twice, carson -- are you at home climbing with me? >> i would jump out of a plane before i did that. because you got the thing on and once you get past that -- but quickly what they did they teach you? >> that you can and i will and i want to do more and any moment in my life where i think i can i'll just think of them. thank you. >> love you. >> love you too. >> on the next champions for change learn about the cause close to say sanjay gupta.
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and champions for change a week long event brought to you by charms swab. wow, that was amazing. thanks for watching. i'll see you right back here tomorrow. whoooo.
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